cheers for the quick response straughsberry, did alot of humming and harin' and I think im going to just beef up the 4 speed, im not going to be pushing anymore than 350rwkw in the future so its proablly just over kill anyway but would like the confidence in a strong box but hey..have been giving it a bit of a punishment this week in an attempt to see if it will blow up so far it`s still feels good..pulls second gear skids no brake no prob..if weather permits tomorrow ill take it to test and tune and flog it some more, im betting that's were it will die.. in front of everyone lol.. any punters on how long my box will last???