BA_Turbs

I'll make do with what I've got now thanks.

Hello, The heading is not entirely correct. The situation is the GF has just got a substantial pay rise at work, but no car. She loves my car, so she's going to drive that and buy a ute for me. I think she will spend up to the $30K mark. I have seen one BA XR8 and 3 XR6T in the high $20K. I have only just started watching the market. There's no hurry to buy, I don't care if it takes a couple of months or longer to find the right car. What sort of fuel consumption does the XR8 get? What sort of money are people paying to insure them? I am only 24 so will get hit hard for insurance. My preference is for an XR8. Will consider AU III as well. Prefer auto for towing. Can't be red (my car is), Acid Rush (GF isn't a fan) or Envi (but I doubt and Envi ute will meet the $$ criteria). Keep your eyes peeled boys. I'm in Victoria, but with one way airfares so cheap, flying somewhere on the east coast is an option. Thanks for replies dudes, can't wait until the family is complete! Antony

Cro brings a never-ending supply of opportunity. Opportunity for us to point out her constant stuff-ups, softness, foot-in-mouth remarks, apparent gayness, poor colour choices, immaculate spelling and grammar, adonis-like physique, Everest-like intellect, gayness (opps, mentioned that already ), diplomacy skills, etc., etc., etc. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> And his gayness.

Not wasting my time on the link. I'm with Zap.

I have worked a lot with kids too. I can assure everyone here they are the type that will end up on the receiving end of the drugs brought into Australia. The problem stems from the parents not doing enough at an early age. Once the child hits double figures in age, the parents realise he/she is a terror but its too late. Into the system. To blame chemicals in food or mental health issues is a cop-out and that kind of "the individual isn't to blame its the circumstances" is the kind of thinking that's rotting our society away from the inside out. No one will accept responsibilty for their own actions these days. That's a little unfair. With this kind of thinking, why does a house burglary ever occur, what were the police doing? Why does a person ever die on the street, what were the ambulance doing? Why do little Italian men from St Albans take 100 undersize squid in a night fishing off the Mornington Pier? What were the Department of Fisheries doing? We could fund and put enough authorities out there to prevent any kind of brech of any legislation ever, but wouldn't that be a great place to live? Never mind that Austrlian Customs and Australian Federal Police only a month or two ago took the largest ecstasy haul ever. Never mind there is a massive warehouse at Melbourne Airport where all seized guns, knifes, drugs, tobacco, swords and other weapons you've never heard of go, proof they're out there living it and breathing itto protect you and your family. Hats off to Customs, you would be stunned if you knew how few people their organisation runs on for the task it is given.

311 denotes a Van that started at 2300 hours (11pm). The 3 is for a van, the 11 is the start time. A sedan is a 2. So a 210 is a sedan starting at 10. Where I work at the moment, we actually don't have a 311 ever, its a 12 hour shift, so the only start times are 0700 & 1900. No I'm not TMU, but there is one at Frankston, Hasting and Rosebud, plus one that works out of Narre that covers Cranbourne etc (there a lot more of the bastards too, but not relevant to the cruise!). There is no love lost between myself and the TMU. As far as the cruise goes, some awesome roads down there! The Aurthur's Seat Road was one of the first I went to after the Red Dragon was run in. Whoops. Some great twisties in and around Main Ridge/Red Hill too. Some surprising hairpins on the Flinders/Cape Shank Road as well. Geea has my mobile number, so if on the day I am working and anyone wants a canary, give me a bell and I'll bring the book down. <sarcastic....>

That is one weird and sick fetish... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes. A thousand apologies for any confusion. "Ky" is short for Kyabram. On the other hand there is "KY", an entirely different thing. I shan't go into it, but I think you should be able to guess what that is from the following instructional illustration: Again, I apologise for the confusion.

SPC was recently bought out. I also am think that it was bought by Coke Cola Amatil. This was a dark day in my girlfriend's how town. (Kyabram - near Shep. They still love their SPC in Ky).

The reason the word "alleged" is used is because until they are found guilty in court, then it is only "alleged". This includes if they make admissions or whatever evidence is seen on the TV. It is also worth keeping in mind that with Ms Corby's matters, the trial runs 6, 7 hours a day? They aren't playing twister during that time, they are hearing evidence from dozens, if not more, of witnesses. Our knowledge of the trial is from the 80 seconds we see of it on the news and the column in the paper the following day. I'm not saying she is either guilty or innocent, nor am I saying that people aren't entitled to an opinion, but I am saying anything we see is very skewed and these things often end up as a trial by media. What appears on TV as conclusive evidence is often far from it. So we have opinions, but uninformed ones. The media only shows you the side that will sell papers, attract viewers. I wouldn't wish the death penalty on anyone, however I do wish that it wasn't the Hilton Hotel chain that won the contract to run our prison system here.

Hey! That's my neck of the woods! If you see this driving around, wave me down: If I'm not working, again, I'll see how I go. Nearly the entire cruise runs through areas where I've worked or do work, so I'll keep my eyes open, If I can't make it, have a good'n. Antony.

Yeah, down here, if you manage to fill the car and find the coupon after drinking the wine, you get a further 2c a litre off and a Shell "Forest Fresh" Air Freshener.

He should buy a Ford

What a great game!

Tell me all about specs, price, location etc. Don't care if you want to reply via PM.

And having the "third leg" would make my car match its owner.

It sounds like a the best thing to come out of Shell's marketting dept. since Optimax. Agree with the other dudes, been around heaps.

Longest hit was 323.5 Shortest (other than 0) was 76

Good work to all three. Now, to business... Can I have Ops?

Front fog lights aren't illegal in Victoria, unless they aren't aligned properly. Rear foglights however.....

I partially disagree. It is not theft. The supplier has, of their own accord, made a delivery of goods to you. They have dropped them off at your store, with the intent that they become your goods. As someone said, now and then this will mean freebies (does happen) despite the paperwork not accounting for this. This immediately raises potential doubt. An exception to this would be where both parties have a contract between them stipulating that over deliveries must be raised as an issue to the other party. As no active attempt by the employee to acquire or keep goods without good cause has occurred and there is reason as to why oversupply may have been forthcoming, no theft can have occurred. Simply put, there is no intent that can be proven. I can give you another example which is very closely matched. If I am a regular customer at a shop (ie they can find me if they need to) and I one day leave an extra $20 with my payment for something at the shop, there is NOT A CHANCE IN HELL the store can be charged with theft just because they dont tell me about it. They have not acted in a manner which had intent to steal. They can simply claim they didnt notice... (In reality that is exactly what will occur). If, however I go back to the store and demand my $20 back as I made a mistake, and they lie to me and say I didnt leave an extra $20, then they can be charged with fraud, as they are trying to deceive me with the aim of gaining financial advantage. Its DOES become fraud if as I stated the supplier starts asking questions and you deceive the supplier by confirming that only the ordered items were delivered. At that stage I would cease interacting, require my manager to deal with it and if it becomes a bigger issue, get representation of some kind. It is most definitely not theft. Not a chance - and its quite obvious why. Conspiracy charges are alive and well. If you plan to rob a bank with a gun with more than just yourself, you will be charged with conspiracy to commit an attempted armed robbery. If you deceive someone to gain financial advantage with more than one person involved with the dodgyness, you will be charged with conspiracy to commmit fraud. All of these are much more serious charges than just a plain fraud or theft charge and have higher penalties applied. I am responsible for over $750M of my companies expenditure, and know very, very clearly both the ethical and legal responsibilities that apply in this country in a variety of very unusual circumstances - I come across them every day. People get fired and sometimes charged as a result of these issues, all dependent on both ethics and the laws. Both of which I know rather well. Oh, and the person who posted this is acting as an agent of the company he works for. As such he does not carry 100% responsibility for what the company as a whole does. His low position makes this even less so. The reasonable actions in this circumstance (as per my initial post) is to alert his manager of the mistake. This DOES let him off, both legally and in reality. The only exception would be if he was reasonably certain that his manager was doing something dodgy and/or his manager asked him to take actions that the emplyee could reasonably ascertain to be furthering illegally keeping the products. As the employee is definitely not privvy to all communications the manager has with suppliers, there is more than enough reason for the employee to assume the manager took appropriate actions after being alerted. Book 'em Danno. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hmmmm, the example you gave, it is a theft. If the sales person does not take all reasonable steps to return the money to you.... THEFT. It applies to any property that belongs to someone else, if you know who it belongs to and don't give it back. Like you said, if the supplier starts ringing up and asking about their goods and little fibs are told, then it is just lying to cover a crime. It only becomes a deception if invoices are dodgied up etc to cover the extra goods. I haven't seen any mention of that occurring though, so hyperthetically it could ba an assault if the supplier comes around and punches 'hoon for keeping the stock. Hyperthetically it can be any offence to match whatever situation we care to conjure up. Theft covers a much broader range of situations than simply seeing something you want and taking it. I congratulate you on having a job which carries such awesome responsibility and has you in command of such large quantities of money. This job obviously gives you the time to watch plenty of Law & Order but not a lot of time to read legislation or law journals that may include the actual offence and points of proof for this particular crime. You may work closely with all sorts of people doing all sorts of things. I work closely with a lot of people that deal with law. In fact, I am sitting next to them in the police car as we do this every day. If anyone is interested (I'll be careful not to be crushed in the rush here) I can apply the points of proof for theft and for obtain property by deception to hoon's situation and to the above example. Points of proof are the things that make up an offence and are what are required by police to proove an offence. 'Hoon, If we cut out all the and actually look at this situation realistically, is the supplier even going to call police even if he doe work it out? In the unlikely event that police become involved, in theory, you could be charged. In reality they wuold likely get a statement from you regarding your bosses' direction/order to keep the goods and he gets charged with theft. Simple. All in all, I wouldn't be losing sleep over it. You're a big boy, do whatever the hell you feel the need to do. But to answer your original question, yes, its stealing.

I think your car contains errors.

I agree. Wheels just did a compo between Acclaim and Futura. Acclaim won.

A mate smashed my bumper. $2,000 to replace. Was more expensive because I needed it done in 2 days and he put me ahead of all other work.

Hoon, This is a simple theft. It is not fraud, a deception or any other offence. For it to meet the critera for those offences you must have actively sought to decieve the supplier in order to get the goods for nothing. By passing the buck to your boss you have not cleared yourself of any liablity. Also, if you commit an offence in concert with other people, you commit the original offence, there is no such thing as "theft in concert" etc. Another example similar to this is if you find a wallet lying in the street and it has a licence, cash, bank cards etc, If you just keep it, its theft. You are obliged to do something about goods that have come into your possesion whether it be by your own will or accidently. This area is criminal law and the answers are that simple. Its the most common offence I deal with and have charged dozens of people with it. This, however, is the real world. Make your own decision. BA_Turbs

No red facing forward (ie visible from the front) and no white backwards. Its very much a grey area after that, but you can basically have what you want as long as it complies with the above. And as I said in an earlier post, the government is looking into changing the legislation to make all these coloured accessory lights illegal.