I was under the impression that the timing would advance until it started pinging (or at least on the verge of), in which case I assume the timing would be turned back a bit?? I also thought that a knock sensor would be the only real way of detecting higher octane levels?? And also, I thought that octane only gave you the extra benefit by being able to advance the timing, but sure other benefits may exist through the cleansing agents, but that would reduce over time?? In any case, does anyone know what the timing is advanced to using PULP, and what is left? For some reason I remember reading that the timing could advance by 10 deg, and retard by 50. But if you use PULP, and it advances to the full 10 deg higher octane would do squat?? unless I'm wrong and it advances to say 5 or 8???