NICE? mmmm never called that, been called funny, and been called a tool way more well ya just dont turbo V8s, wen brother had his TT LS1 sounded crap the turbos takeaway the V8 sound which is half the reason ppl have em Super Cs on the other add a whine which sounds fine im happy with the XR8 just to keep running let alone get any performance out of it And Im poor on engine $ for the WAGON so the roller cam winny with a fat bump stick will have to do Unless you want to donate $ or a coyote SC to my cause and Im happy to use it ( steal me 1 I dont care ) :triniti: