Yeah I can see that it wouldnt be worth paying an extra $150 for 10mm of extra tread. I may be able to get a pair of 255's for a good deal, that's why im asking how wide I can go on the 17's. Yeah there are some really good deals out there for rim/trye packages, but I will need to do suspension at the same time, that's what is holding me back. can get a nice set of 19's with tyres for 2k, but need another 1k for suspension. I like doing things at once to avoid the car looking like a 4wd with 19's on it. that's why I decided to spend $400 on tyres for now and save up to do the wheels/suspension mods properly. Cheers