wow, doesnt take long to get a reply on this site! yer its interesting how many people prefer V8s for the odd weekender over the turbo, but that's understandable give city traffic. 03XR6T - thanks for the advicce but as open minded I am to holdens and fords, I am kinda a ford guy so it definately between these two, the LS6's are GREAT engines though... Ford_esky - yer if I wasnt going to boost an 8 I would go a turbo for sure, but theres no chance I am driving a naturally aspirated ute, 6 or 8. but this has helped my decision along a bit though, cheers for ya two cents guys, I will post up the build in the 300+ forum in a few months either way oh yer, Dagabond, ive seen blown 8's on here too that's why I posted this so yer... get off my back ey haha