In regards to the goons having a field day, you gotta remember you're arguing with vb guzzling crack smoking skinny bogans that walk around all day and night wearing HRT hats and jackets while owning a 96 barina. The real enthusiasts arnt stupid and we are all well informed with the proven dyno results where the ford loses around 30-40kw from the engine to the wheels and the holdens lose up to 100kw. But numbers are another way of extending inches these days, refer to sig below as this obviously proves im pretty big.. Manual vs auto though, fkin stupid.