Well I guess it had to happen. In 11 years of driving I have had two accidents... One when I was 15 reversing out of the house and turned to soon and clipped the front of my parents Camry, the second was a year after getting my license I was being stupid and went through a fence, but no damage. Today I lost a fight with two vans on a roundabout, and I can thankfully say it was 100% NOT my fault. My first accident involving another vehicle! I know lots of people have had worse, but since I'm a virgin I felt pretty bad. Two lanes of traffic going over a roundabout in Morningside, I'm in the left lane going over (can do on this one) I turn left just after the roundabout hence why I'm in that lane, then some chump who looks like Mario Brother, in the right lane realises that he is in the wrong lane for turning left and tries to turn straight through my rear end. Sends me in a spin, USA cop tap style, and then the van behind him also going over the roundabout, slams into my drivers door. :banghead: My friend and I are all ok, he didn't know if I was going to cry or beat the guy to death with my baseball bat. Its off to the assessor tomorrow, I mounted the curb to so all of the front of the spoiler is scratched, all three panels on the drivers side need work, plus the wing mirror and rear bumper. So I'm going to be driving my folks GOLD Corolla around for a few days Guess I'm lucky, heavy traffic so it was a low speed crash, but its my first so I was pretty shaken... that noise of metal on metal is just HORRIBLE Ive stood meters from crocodiles crushing the skulls of Buffalo's and it didn't sound this bad. End whine. Felix