Having owned over 40 cars, with only 4 being auto, I consider myself a manual driver. Having owned both a manual Turbo XR and ZF F6, I also consider myself qualified to comment. The ZF is totally different gearbox to other Autos boxes on the market. You do not need to be a manual driver to be a real driver, some of us have evolved to better technology. May be if some Turbo drivers took their narrow view of Autos and took one for a drive, they would also see the light.